Why I Think The Joker Should DEFINITELY Be In Arkham Origins

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Hey peeps. Thomas here at Pastime Viewpoints has made an article deterring the fact Joker should be in Batman Arkham Origins. If you haven’t read it yet, here is the link:


See, I understand Thomas’ point. I am not going to straight up bash the guy because he believes The Joker should not be in the game, hell if anything he is completely just in his opinions. However as a fan of the Batman franchise, especially the Arkham franchise, I do believe 100% the The Joker is fundamental in this origin story.

The Joker is a part of Batman. Fair enough Batman was Bruce Wayne’s creation made due to crime of Gotham City. It was however The Joker that warped Batman, molded Batman, and really made Batman the Batman he is. The one that is not afraid, the one who is not afraid to die, the one who has an endless bond with this evil clown. In Arkham City, Joker’s death really shows what Batman is without him; nothing. When you reflect on Batman’s past and his origins, not having Joker there is as much of a mistake as not having Crime Alley, Robin or Alfred. Thomas did state that The Joker seemingly hogs the spotlight, and hinders other bad guys such as Scarecrow, Al Ghul, Riddler and Bane. I cannot argue that point completely, yet what I can say is was The Joker that big of a deal in the Arkham series?

Yes The Joker in the first game Arkham Asylum was taunting Batman throughout and seemingly escaped lock-down (as he does so well), needing capturing and the rescuing of innocent prisoners he has taken. In the game it felt that he was an integral part of the plot, but it also felt he never truly was clouding the way. He was instrumental in pushing the main plot, though the side plot is what made that game. Poison Ivy, Bane, Killer Croc, The Riddler, The Penguin etc, all got their mitts on that game and made huge impressions without Joker’s direct help. In Arkham City it was more of the same. More villains such as Deadshot, Mr. Freeze, Mad Hatter, Hugo Strange, Two Face, Clayface and Harley Quinn all get a chance to shine in City. The Joker doesn’t hinder these guys and their stories. He is a part of Batman’s journey as he always is. The Joker is Batman’s biggest rival. Done deal.

Thomas did point out that this story should feature a real story based outside of Joker and feature more on the Black Mask and his assassins. I love the aspect of Black Mask trying to take out the Batman. It makes for a great plot. The thing with Batman is that he is Gotham’s savior and a criminal’s worse nightmare. So what if we have 9 guys trying to rip Batman’s head off? What is different from any other day of the week? The Batman story is interesting and lathers rich in longevity. The 8 assassins (including Deathstroke YESSS) will have plenty of time to forge their stories and have their respective battles. Hell, Joker could have a five minute piece in the game and not even need to be the “main guy” as Thomas is afraid he will be. It is the fact that The Joker’s origins are essential to cover as they have not been touched so far in the series. How did he become Joker? How did he meet up with and rival Batman? How does he cause Gotham’s suffering? It is interesting stuff to know. Why can’t we have all of this plus more? Black Mask will come out of this looking a bad ass believe me.

I know Thomas is a fan of the Joker. I know he would enjoy a Batman game that is not  based solely around the man. Similar to the movies Batman Begins and Dark Knight Rises, Batman can thrive without his number one rival. I solely believe that The Joker needs to be here for this origin story. Batman without Joker isn’t the same you know. Let me ask the viewers reading this, can you have an origin story on Batman without having Joker? Can you see it? Can you have an origin story about the building of Superman without Lex Luthor? Ask Man of Steel. It is the element that makes the character them. Loki made The Avengers, Lex makes Superman special, and The Joker makes Batman the Dark knight. The Joker must be a part of this origin story and must have his reserved spot into this classic title to be.

Thank you for reading peeps. Let us know who is right out of Thomas and I. Do you believe Joker needs to be in Arkham Origins? Or needs to stay away to let other villains shine?


Zell – http://www.youtube.com/user/zell2626


Why I Think The Joker Should NOT Be In Arkham Origins

Oh yes, you did read that correctly. I honestly don’t think The Joker should be in Batman: Arkham Origins. Don’t get me wrong, I love The Joker, but I’m not blindly going to get something because The Joker is in it. Also I’m not saying they should take him out last minute or anything, or generally saying they should undo all of their hard work; though I will concede that this is basically “he never should’ve been in it in the first place”. I also will make a follow up article after I have played the game stating whether I hold true to this opinion, or if the game has made me change my mind. Remember, this is written having not played the game yet, so my opinion could easily change once it’s released.

Don’t get me wrong, I understand exactly why The Joker seems to be in everything and is everywhere; he’s an iconic villain and the character has earned that spot. However Joker has been the main focus of both previous Arkham games. Sure, he was the main villain in Arkham Asylum, so that gets a pass, however he also hogs the spotlight in Arkham City; a game where the main villain is SUPPOSED to be Hugo Strange (or Ra’s Al Ghul, or both). Don’t believe me? His story ends AFTER the main plot does. I will admit it worked due to how they handled the conclusion of that story, but the fact remains that a sub-plot concluded after the main story.

Now, we come to Arkham Origins, where the main villain is supposed to be Black Mask, which automatically drew me to the game out of curiosity as to how that would play out, with Deathstroke’s inclusion being what sealed the deal for me. But what will most people like me (comic adaptation fans) most likely care about? The Joker is in there! Come on guys! Even Batman Begins didn’t have Joker! Why should this? I get it, I get it…”Joker sells”, fine, but come on guys, if you’re going to include him, make him a flat out side villain with guys like Anarky, or flat out diminish him to a cameo appearance like Mad Hatter got in Arkham City.

Hell, think about it. If they’re trying to “fall back in mainstream known villains”, and that’s their logic for using Joker in every game, guess what? THEY DID A POOR JOB OF THAT IN ASYLUM!

  • Riddler – voice only
  • Two-Face – only verbally mentioned right at the end
  • Mr. Freeze – no verbal mention
  • Catwoman – no verbal mention (Yes I know she isn’t always a bad guy but still)
  • The Penguin – no verbal mention

They didn’t seem too preoccupied with trying to throw in a bucket load of well-known (mainstream wise) Batman villains. Hell, even the biographies in Arkham Asylum are filled with a bunch of villains I had no idea existed at the time (Great White Shark, Tweedledum & Tweedledee, Killer Moth, etc.). Honestly I wish that trend had continued with the Arkham City biographies, but oh well, a man can dream.

Actually, that’s a whole other thing I’d like to bring up. Fine, Joker’s in it. But guess what? I actually find myself being drawn towards EVERY OTHER VILLAIN more than Joker, purely because I don’t know as much about the other villains. Does that mean I’ll necessarily like all of the other villains? No. But to me the unknown is a lot more fascinating in this sort of case. Mad Hatter was a case for this in Arkham City, and he turned out to be one of my favourite villains despite only making a cameo appearance, so I’m excited to learn he’s having a (probably only somewhat) larger role in Arkham Origins. As far as Joker goes though, I honestly do not care about Joker’s storyline at all as of writing this. He wants to blow up a bunch of buildings on Christmas Eve? Seems more like a Calendar Man scheme to me. Seriously, switch out Joker for Calendar Man in that scenario and see if it changes anything. Makes more sense with Calendar Man doesn’t it?

Going along with that, Joker’s sub-plot seems entirely tacked on and pointless to me. Here we’ve got a game where the main plot is that, for some reason, Black Mask has hired eight assassins to try and kill Batman; so Batman has to survive their attacks and find Black Mask, also trying to figure out why this is even happening in the first place. Sounds like a basic, yet strong, story to base a game around to me. If Joker is a major player then it just throws everything out of balance, considering we have NINE main villains already. There are enough characters to focus on without needing Joker as a major player, or even a minor player. Once again, Batman Begins didn’t need The Joker, so why does Arkham Origins? As of now it’s a completely unnecessary addition to an already appealing game in my eyes; whether it’s handled well or not

That aside, I realise I could actually end up being wrong about how large a role Joker even plays in this game. For all I know, he could actually just be stuck in the same boat as Anarky and be a side-mission villain (ala Riddler, Zsasz & Bane in Arkham City), rather than a major sub-plot villain. If that’s the case? Then fine, I won’t mind as much, and I’ll admit that in a follow up article. But as of right now, I firmly believe this game does NOT need The Joker. And I honestly doubt that his story being well done will change that. Whether it does or not, I do intend to do a follow up article.

Does anyone actually agree with me? Do you disagree? Either way leave your opinions below (Negative wise only if you actually have something constructive to say) and I’ll see you all again next time.

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